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DieHardFan
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Tough situation with Enroth. He's not going to supplant Miller as the starter anytime soon, and as a backup, he'd get very limited playing time. He looks like NHL starter material to me.

He's a RFA at the end of the year, so it will be interesting to see what kind of qualifying offer he gets from Buffalo, or if he gets offer sheets from other teams. I wouldn't be surprised to see some teams come knocking at the door with a decent offer sheet for him to be a potential starter, but more than the Sabres would be willing to pay him as a backup or minor leaguer.

Would the Sabres want to keep him for maybe 2M/year, or would they let him walk without compensation?

You're delusional if you think Enroth is going to be getting any offer sheets from any team to be a starter in this league.

Our only RFA that someone would even consider is Stafford.


Ok, then, well the Sabres need to offer him close to 1.5M as a qualifying offer. Do they do that for a backup or minor leaguer? Or do they not make an offer and let him become an UFA and lose him for nothing. I say they give him a QO for 2 years, give him a chance to develop his game in the NHL as a 20 game/year starter (or more depending on Miller's health) and see what he turns into.


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This is a good decision. Jhonas needs to keep playing in Portland. Ruff said that it's possible he'll call him up again when Ryan needs a rest.

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Indeed. He likes to wrap his arrogance under the presumption of making things 'interesting'. It's all code for 'how much shit can I stir up to get people to call us or the Whiner Line about it'?


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Someone told me Jeremy White said something along the lines of "He IS the back-up, he just practices in PDX". I can agree with this line of thinking.

SO how many more games does Enroth play this season? Four or five more?

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And the suck ass Buffalo media is starting up the hate machine..

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Getting into work mode. I think Ryan Miller has some tough times ahead. Enroth's play turns Miller into someone we evaluate by the dollar.


Really? Enroth has played 7 NHL games, Miller over 400. This insinuation that Enroth is going to supplant Miller is just moronic.

Well, Schopp is a fool...so this isn't surprising.

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Miller and Enroth form a 1/1A goalie situation. You will have two interchangable starting goalies to work with. If one goes down, you have the other to work with. I rather have that situation than to lose one or the other, especially for a few years.

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Someone told me Jeremy White said something along the lines of "He IS the back-up, he just practices in PDX". I can agree with this line of thinking.


Indeed. That's pretty much the reality of the situation. Lalime is only there in case Lindy needs a goalie switch to wake up the team, to cover an injury, and to converse with Pierre McGuire during shootouts.


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Miller and Enroth form a 1/1A goalie situation. You will have two interchangable starting goalies to work with. If one goes down, you have the other to work with. I rather have that situation than to lose one or the other, especially for a few years.


Not a chance. 1/1A assumes the talent of the the two goalies is close to equal. That's just not the case.

Give Miller 65 starts a year. Give Enroth the other 17. Stick to a schedule so Miller gets regular breaks, and Enroth doesn't sit for weeks between starts.

That will work for everyone.


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Squanto wrote:
Sabretooth wrote:
Miller and Enroth form a 1/1A goalie situation. You will have two interchangable starting goalies to work with. If one goes down, you have the other to work with. I rather have that situation than to lose one or the other, especially for a few years.


Not a chance. 1/1A assumes the talent of the the two goalies is close to equal. That's just not the case.

Give Miller 65 starts a year. Give Enroth the other 17. Stick to a schedule so Miller gets regular breaks, and Enroth doesn't sit for weeks between starts.

That will work for everyone.


So do you give Enroth 1.5M/year to start 17 games?


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Squanto wrote:
Sabretooth wrote:
Miller and Enroth form a 1/1A goalie situation. You will have two interchangable starting goalies to work with. If one goes down, you have the other to work with. I rather have that situation than to lose one or the other, especially for a few years.


Not a chance. 1/1A assumes the talent of the the two goalies is close to equal. That's just not the case.

Give Miller 65 starts a year. Give Enroth the other 17. Stick to a schedule so Miller gets regular breaks, and Enroth doesn't sit for weeks between starts.

That will work for everyone.


That's what was supposed to happen with Lalime. Years ago.

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Squanto wrote:
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Miller and Enroth form a 1/1A goalie situation. You will have two interchangable starting goalies to work with. If one goes down, you have the other to work with. I rather have that situation than to lose one or the other, especially for a few years.


Not a chance. 1/1A assumes the talent of the the two goalies is close to equal. That's just not the case.

Give Miller 65 starts a year. Give Enroth the other 17. Stick to a schedule so Miller gets regular breaks, and Enroth doesn't sit for weeks between starts.

That will work for everyone.


Wrong you are. Ruff, if he remains the coach, will play the goaltender he thinks is the best at that time. If both are very good, which Miller and Enroth are, they will both see playing time. When it comes down to the playoffs, you will have comfort knowing you net is well protected.

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Tough situation with Enroth. He's not going to supplant Miller as the starter anytime soon, and as a backup, he'd get very limited playing time. He looks like NHL starter material to me.

He's a RFA at the end of the year, so it will be interesting to see what kind of qualifying offer he gets from Buffalo, or if he gets offer sheets from other teams. I wouldn't be surprised to see some teams come knocking at the door with a decent offer sheet for him to be a potential starter, but more than the Sabres would be willing to pay him as a backup or minor leaguer.

Would the Sabres want to keep him for maybe 2M/year, or would they let him walk without compensation?

You're delusional if you think Enroth is going to be getting any offer sheets from any team to be a starter in this league.

Our only RFA that someone would even consider is Stafford.


Ok, then, well the Sabres need to offer him close to 1.5M as a qualifying offer. Do they do that for a backup or minor leaguer? Or do they not make an offer and let him become an UFA and lose him for nothing. I say they give him a QO for 2 years, give him a chance to develop his game in the NHL as a 20 game/year starter (or more depending on Miller's health) and see what he turns into.


You don't understand the QO at all. Enroth is making a cap hit of 0.685 with a bonus of .215. I'm not sure if the bonus count as part of the QO or not, but I'll do both numbers. He makes more than 660K, so he only needs to get offer 105% of that contract, and that equates to $719,250 as his qualifying offer, bare minimum on his actual contract, you throw in the bonus number then, he makes 900K, still not over a million but over the 660K so it's once again 105% of the contract needs to be offered which is $945,000 dollar QO. Sorry, but no matter what you slice it, 1.5 for a QO is not right, learn the CBA better next time.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
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Tough situation with Enroth. He's not going to supplant Miller as the starter anytime soon, and as a backup, he'd get very limited playing time. He looks like NHL starter material to me.

He's a RFA at the end of the year, so it will be interesting to see what kind of qualifying offer he gets from Buffalo, or if he gets offer sheets from other teams. I wouldn't be surprised to see some teams come knocking at the door with a decent offer sheet for him to be a potential starter, but more than the Sabres would be willing to pay him as a backup or minor leaguer.

Would the Sabres want to keep him for maybe 2M/year, or would they let him walk without compensation?

You're delusional if you think Enroth is going to be getting any offer sheets from any team to be a starter in this league.

Our only RFA that someone would even consider is Stafford.


Ok, then, well the Sabres need to offer him close to 1.5M as a qualifying offer. Do they do that for a backup or minor leaguer? Or do they not make an offer and let him become an UFA and lose him for nothing. I say they give him a QO for 2 years, give him a chance to develop his game in the NHL as a 20 game/year starter (or more depending on Miller's health) and see what he turns into.


You don't understand the QO at all. Enroth is making a cap hit of 0.685 with a bonus of .215. I'm not sure if the bonus count as part of the QO or not, but I'll do both numbers. He makes more than 660K, so he only needs to get offer 105% of that contract, and that equates to $719,250 as his qualifying offer, bare minimum on his actual contract, you throw in the bonus number then, he makes 900K, still not over a million but over the 660K so it's once again 105% of the contract needs to be offered which is $945,000 dollar QO. Sorry, but no matter what you slice it, 1.5 for a QO is not right, learn the CBA better next time.


My bad, miscalculated 100% as a doubling of the current salary.


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Maybe he sent Enroth to Portland but still intends on Miller resting maybe Patty will get a start? I mean we do own the Maple Queeves

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DieHardFan wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
DieHardFan wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
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Tough situation with Enroth. He's not going to supplant Miller as the starter anytime soon, and as a backup, he'd get very limited playing time. He looks like NHL starter material to me.

He's a RFA at the end of the year, so it will be interesting to see what kind of qualifying offer he gets from Buffalo, or if he gets offer sheets from other teams. I wouldn't be surprised to see some teams come knocking at the door with a decent offer sheet for him to be a potential starter, but more than the Sabres would be willing to pay him as a backup or minor leaguer.

Would the Sabres want to keep him for maybe 2M/year, or would they let him walk without compensation?

You're delusional if you think Enroth is going to be getting any offer sheets from any team to be a starter in this league.

Our only RFA that someone would even consider is Stafford.


Ok, then, well the Sabres need to offer him close to 1.5M as a qualifying offer. Do they do that for a backup or minor leaguer? Or do they not make an offer and let him become an UFA and lose him for nothing. I say they give him a QO for 2 years, give him a chance to develop his game in the NHL as a 20 game/year starter (or more depending on Miller's health) and see what he turns into.


You don't understand the QO at all. Enroth is making a cap hit of 0.685 with a bonus of .215. I'm not sure if the bonus count as part of the QO or not, but I'll do both numbers. He makes more than 660K, so he only needs to get offer 105% of that contract, and that equates to $719,250 as his qualifying offer, bare minimum on his actual contract, you throw in the bonus number then, he makes 900K, still not over a million but over the 660K so it's once again 105% of the contract needs to be offered which is $945,000 dollar QO. Sorry, but no matter what you slice it, 1.5 for a QO is not right, learn the CBA better next time.


My bad, miscalculated 100% as a doubling of the current salary.

Perfectly understandable mistake.

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If the Sabres make the playoffs, Miller gets injured, can they still call up Enroth? Or will they just have him backup Miller during the playoffs?

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Bauter88 wrote:
Maybe he sent Enroth to Portland but still intends on Miller resting maybe Patty will get a start? I mean we do own the Maple Queeves


Miller has had about three days rest. That is enough to rest completely and continue competing at an acceptable level.

Lalime should get a start or two next week.

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Maybe he sent Enroth to Portland but still intends on Miller resting maybe Patty will get a start? I mean we do own the Maple Queeves


Miller has already been confirmed to be starting tonight.

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Sabretooth wrote:
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Miller and Enroth form a 1/1A goalie situation. You will have two interchangable starting goalies to work with. If one goes down, you have the other to work with. I rather have that situation than to lose one or the other, especially for a few years.


Not a chance. 1/1A assumes the talent of the the two goalies is close to equal. That's just not the case.

Give Miller 65 starts a year. Give Enroth the other 17. Stick to a schedule so Miller gets regular breaks, and Enroth doesn't sit for weeks between starts.

That will work for everyone.


Wrong you are. Ruff, if he remains the coach, will play the goaltender he thinks is the best at that time. If both are very good, which Miller and Enroth are, they will both see playing time. When it comes down to the playoffs, you will have comfort knowing you net is well protected.


Enroth has played what, 3 or 5 games this year? That's hardly enough time to determine if an AHL goalie is good enough to supplant or rival a reigning Vesina winner, no matter how average his year has been. I don't see Ruff playing an upstart prospect over Miller in many situations through his own choosing. I think we'd see the same amount of starts for miller, but we'd be angry about why Enroth isn't in the AHL.

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