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mechaphil
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The difference is an extra $4M against the cap and a deal that didn't expire at the end of this season haha.

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Fucking eh, I'll say. Capgeek.com claims 5 big ones for next year. That's one hell of a horse pill to swallow.

Can't believe he pulled down 8 this year. But then again, it is the Rags...

Edit: Derp, Cap hit claims 7 and change...

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Good. I hope they do buy him out. Fuck Drury. How'd playing for your beloved New York Rangers work out for you, Chris? Tool.

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Good. I hope they do buy him out. Fuck Drury. How'd playing for your beloved New York Rangers work out for you, Chris? Tool.

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Yes, Derek Roy should be a third line center if we have two top caliber centers on this team. If our front office did not violate sharia code of law in 2007, the organization would be several steps ahead.

If I am Ruff, I would say, "None of you are good enough for my first two lines. If you want to win the Cup, show me you play to belong on those lines." Players need to step up and play better. Some guys are on the way there. They just need to take a few more steps to get there.

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Roy is a great #2 center, and an average #1 center. He's not a #3 center. Pretty sure this has already been covered, though, so I'm just following the masses.


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Yes, Derek Roy should be a third line center if we have two top caliber centers on this team. If our front office did not violate sharia code of law in 2007, the organization would be several steps ahead.

If I am Ruff, I would say, "None of you are good enough for my first two lines. If you want to win the Cup, show me you play to belong on those lines." Players need to step up and play better. Some guys are on the way there. They just need to take a few more steps to get there.


The Sabres went to the first round of the playoffs and took Philly to a game 7. With Pommers and Connolly out, and Roy and Hecht out most of the series. They played the way they needed, except for game 7. Philly is the better team. No doubt. I personally think they would have won with Pommers, Connolly, Roy, and Hecht in the whole series, but we'll never know.

We need better players. Our current players trying their hardest won't win us a cup.

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BlueandYellow wrote:
We need better players. Our current players trying their hardest won't win us a cup.


Plus one.

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Sabretooth wrote:
Yes, Derek Roy should be a third line center if we have two top caliber centers on this team. If our front office did not violate sharia code of law in 2007, the organization would be several steps ahead.

If I am Ruff, I would say, "None of you are good enough for my first two lines. If you want to win the Cup, show me you play to belong on those lines." Players need to step up and play better. Some guys are on the way there. They just need to take a few more steps to get there.


Did you really just basically say Roy would be a third line center if we had two better centers on the team?

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Sabretooth wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
We need better players. Our current players trying their hardest won't win us a cup.


Plus one.


A truer statement has never been said.

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Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Sabretooth wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
We need better players. Our current players trying their hardest won't win us a cup.


Plus one.


A truer statement has never been said.

I know one. We need oxygen to live. :lol:

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Vanek_Fanatic_26 wrote:
Sabretooth wrote:
BlueandYellow wrote:
We need better players. Our current players trying their hardest won't win us a cup.


Plus one.


A truer statement has never been said.

I know one. We need oxygen to live. :lol:


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mechaphil wrote:
Roy is a second line center on any team besides Pittsburgh. To suggest he'd be a 3rd line center on a contending team is to diminish his value to absurd depth.


It all depends on productivity with the players he's playing with. But he is a pretty good center, he'd probably be #1 on teams like FLA, EDM and all those other horse shit teams.

Anyone notice the team doesn't do well with Roy around? We had one of the worst records in the league when he went down and without him in the line up we made it to the playoffs. And first game Roy comes back we see the team we seen back in the beginning half of the season when he went down.

Now he's definately not a 3rd line center on many teams but he is on some but definately not this team.

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mechaphil wrote:
Roy is a second line center on any team besides Pittsburgh. To suggest he'd be a 3rd line center on a contending team is to diminish his value to absurd depth.


Didn't I prove that Roy's stats match closer with first line centers around the league moreso than second line centers? It's what an earlier poster said, he is a top line center, just not an elite one, and certainly not what we want out of a top line center.

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Jammerz04 wrote:
mechaphil wrote:
Roy is a second line center on any team besides Pittsburgh. To suggest he'd be a 3rd line center on a contending team is to diminish his value to absurd depth.


It all depends on productivity with the players he's playing with. But he is a pretty good center, he'd probably be #1 on teams like FLA, EDM and all those other horse shit teams.

Anyone notice the team doesn't do well with Roy around? We had one of the worst records in the league when he went down and without him in the line up we made it to the playoffs. And first game Roy comes back we see the team we seen back in the beginning half of the season when he went down.

Now he's definately not a 3rd line center on many teams but he is on some but definately not this team.

This is not definitive. Correlation does not prove causality.

Roy was around early in the season when the Sabres sucked. The Sabres improved later in the year. Roy was gone later in the year. This doesn't mean Roy was the cause of the suck. And saying it's Roy's fault they played the way they did in Game 7 seems stretching it, to put it mildly. Guy hadn't played in months, but came back anyway because who did they have for centers in Game 7 without him? Gaustad, Boyes, McCormick, ?... They were missing Hecht, Pommers and Connolly, and Roy was probably playing at about 50%. Well, shit, there goes your PK.

There were many times thoughout the first 6 games where Philly had Buffalo scrambling around the defensive zone terribly. It just so happens that they converted some of those opportunities in Game 7. The 1st one, a terrible play by Grier. He's a vet and should know not to try blocking a wrist shot from the blueline with nobody screening the goalie. Then there are 2 PP goals, because all your best PKers are out. Now you're behind the 8-ball. After that point, each team scored twice. Just finally got the result you'd expect playing against a superior team, especially with all the injuries the Sabres had.

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Jammerz04 wrote:
It all depends on productivity with the players he's playing with. But he is a pretty good center, he'd probably be #1 on teams like FLA, EDM and all those other horse shit teams.

Anyone notice the team doesn't do well with Roy around? We had one of the worst records in the league when he went down and without him in the line up we made it to the playoffs. And first game Roy comes back we see the team we seen back in the beginning half of the season when he went down.

Now he's definately not a 3rd line center on many teams but he is on some but definately not this team.


The teams' struggles had everything to do with the shaky d-corps and nothing to do with Roy or the forwards in general.


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Roy is my third line center in nhl 11, but thats only because my top two are Datsyuk and Kesler lol

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Hammygoodness wrote:
Roy was around early in the season when the Sabres sucked. The Sabres improved later in the year. Roy was gone later in the year. This doesn't mean Roy was the cause of the suck. And saying it's Roy's fault they played the way they did in Game 7 seems stretching it, to put it mildly. Guy hadn't played in months, but came back anyway because who did they have for centers in Game 7 without him? Gaustad, Boyes, McCormick, ?... They were missing Hecht, Pommers and Connolly, and Roy was probably playing at about 50%. Well, shit, there goes your PK.

There were many times thoughout the first 6 games where Philly had Buffalo scrambling around the defensive zone terribly. It just so happens that they converted some of those opportunities in Game 7. The 1st one, a terrible play by Grier. He's a vet and should know not to try blocking a wrist shot from the blueline with nobody screening the goalie. Then there are 2 PP goals, because all your best PKers are out. Now you're behind the 8-ball. After that point, each team scored twice. Just finally got the result you'd expect playing against a superior team, especially with all the injuries the Sabres had.

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Whoaa dude take a chill pill. I didn't say that it was Roy's fault I was just pointing out our record with and without Roy was pretty substantial. Just a stat bud.

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fan4life61 wrote:
Roy is my third line center in nhl 11, but thats only because my top two are Datsyuk and Kesler lol


Legit. We could probably trade Boyes and Connolly for Kesler and Datsyuk.

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I think what the guy was trying to say is that there are several teams that have 2 centers that are better than Roy. Someone said only Pittsburgh has 2 better, but I think you definitely add Vancouver, Detroit, San Jose, Dallas and Tampa Bay just for starters. I don't think he is a 3rd line center, but a 2nd at best. Sure he would be on the 1st line on a lot of teams, but those teams aren't close to winning the Cup.

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