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If you watch the whole thing, they hit in the same exact way a few seconds before. It was a massive devistating hit but a normal hit along the boards. Salo was coming in a fairly low speed also. It wasn't like he was going to try and put Marchand through the boards. Marchand went into it purposely and when you go that low you should expect the player to fall ackwardly and possibly causing an injury.

Woz, it is as dirty of a play as the Lucic hit IMO. Shanahan just dropped the ball on that one.

In the Shannahan video, he explained they did come together, but with a shoulder to shoulder hit, not a hip to Salo's knees hit.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/consol ... chn-safety

First hit was a clean clear shoulder-to-shoulder hit.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
If you watch the whole thing, they hit in the same exact way a few seconds before. It was a massive devistating hit but a normal hit along the boards. Salo was coming in a fairly low speed also. It wasn't like he was going to try and put Marchand through the boards. Marchand went into it purposely and when you go that low you should expect the player to fall ackwardly and possibly causing an injury.

Woz, it is as dirty of a play as the Lucic hit IMO. Shanahan just dropped the ball on that one.

In the Shannahan video, he explained they did come together, but with a shoulder to shoulder hit, not a hip to Salo's knees hit.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/consol ... chn-safety

First hit was a clean clear shoulder-to-shoulder hit.

Yes I know. I didn't mean to make it sound that it was also a dirty hit. You couldn't get any cleaner than that

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
If you watch the whole thing, they hit in the same exact way a few seconds before. It was a massive devistating hit but a normal hit along the boards. Salo was coming in a fairly low speed also. It wasn't like he was going to try and put Marchand through the boards. Marchand went into it purposely and when you go that low you should expect the player to fall ackwardly and possibly causing an injury.

Woz, it is as dirty of a play as the Lucic hit IMO. Shanahan just dropped the ball on that one.

In the Shannahan video, he explained they did come together, but with a shoulder to shoulder hit, not a hip to Salo's knees hit.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/consol ... chn-safety

First hit was a clean clear shoulder-to-shoulder hit.

Shanny's video explanations are fine and all, but it detracts from his authority in a way. He also undermines it by calling himself a 'board'. Shanny should just say he decided to suspend him because he's a rink rat(repeat offender), and that's that. He was reckless(again), and hurt somebody. You can watch replays all day long, but you have to understand the player to understand the video you're watching, too. A picture doesn't always tell the whole story. Shanny's video DOES show that Marchand got mad about a clean hit, and made a dick move 5 seconds later. To make a short story long, to be effective, you have to control the rats. IOW...


5 games. Good call this time Shanny.

Not saying you disagree, just commenting on the video and such.


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daz28 wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
sabresindc wrote:
If you watch the whole thing, they hit in the same exact way a few seconds before. It was a massive devistating hit but a normal hit along the boards. Salo was coming in a fairly low speed also. It wasn't like he was going to try and put Marchand through the boards. Marchand went into it purposely and when you go that low you should expect the player to fall ackwardly and possibly causing an injury.

Woz, it is as dirty of a play as the Lucic hit IMO. Shanahan just dropped the ball on that one.

In the Shannahan video, he explained they did come together, but with a shoulder to shoulder hit, not a hip to Salo's knees hit.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/consol ... chn-safety

First hit was a clean clear shoulder-to-shoulder hit.

Shanny's video explanations are fine and all, but it detracts from his authority in a way. He also undermines it by calling himself a 'board'. Shanny should just say he decided to suspend him because he's a rink rat(repeat offender), and that's that. He was reckless(again), and hurt somebody. You can watch replays all day long, but you have to understand the player to understand the video you're watching, too. A picture doesn't always tell the whole story. Shanny's video DOES show that Marchand got mad about a clean hit, and made a dick move 5 seconds later. To make a short story long, to be effective, you have to control the rats. IOW...


5 games. Good call this time Shanny.

Not saying you disagree, just commenting on the video and such.

It is a board of guys who determine if they get suspended. He is just the head of player safety and the one who tells them they are suspended.

It's not just Shannahan making the decisions.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
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sabresindc wrote:
If you watch the whole thing, they hit in the same exact way a few seconds before. It was a massive devistating hit but a normal hit along the boards. Salo was coming in a fairly low speed also. It wasn't like he was going to try and put Marchand through the boards. Marchand went into it purposely and when you go that low you should expect the player to fall ackwardly and possibly causing an injury.

Woz, it is as dirty of a play as the Lucic hit IMO. Shanahan just dropped the ball on that one.

In the Shannahan video, he explained they did come together, but with a shoulder to shoulder hit, not a hip to Salo's knees hit.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/consol ... chn-safety

First hit was a clean clear shoulder-to-shoulder hit.

Shanny's video explanations are fine and all, but it detracts from his authority in a way. He also undermines it by calling himself a 'board'. Shanny should just say he decided to suspend him because he's a rink rat(repeat offender), and that's that. He was reckless(again), and hurt somebody. You can watch replays all day long, but you have to understand the player to understand the video you're watching, too. A picture doesn't always tell the whole story. Shanny's video DOES show that Marchand got mad about a clean hit, and made a dick move 5 seconds later. To make a short story long, to be effective, you have to control the rats. IOW...


5 games. Good call this time Shanny.

Not saying you disagree, just commenting on the video and such.

It is a board of guys who determine if they get suspended. He is just the head of player safety and the one who tells them they are suspended.

It's not just Shannahan making the decisions.

Really? Who else is on this board? Maybe you could provide a link with this information?? If you mean Shanny chats with Bettman before releasing his decision, then ok, but I think you'll be hard pressed to find out the inner workings of the department of player safety. I've been under the impression it's been Shanny hiding behind the stupid title of VP.


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It's not just Shannahan.

This is one person on the Player Safety committee.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=602001

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=556182
These guys are all in the player safety committee too.

That's all I can find with names in google. I'm sure there are more members there. And I've heard Colin Campbell is still in the committee, not sure though.

It has to be more than one person discussing the suspensions. Because Campbell was always excused from making any rulings when Boston was involved, so it must have a few others. Mainly because if one person does it all they can get power hungry and biased. Another thing to note is about the player safety committee. Are they only there for player safety or do they all discuss suspensions also?

No idea, but there is a committee for Player Safety at least.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:
As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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This is interesting too, here is a player's take on it. Andy Sutton was suspended for 8 games just before this article.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=e ... ca-5849006
With this article it implies Shannahan is the only one deciding and possibly Bettman.

It'd be nice to see if there actually is only one person doing the suspensions or if it is a group of guys deciding on it.

I like how they suggest an independent arbitration hearing for suspensions. Have the NHL have their people and the players have their people to argue it out.

But it would still be nice to know when players g to hearings or have phone hearings, who are they talking to. So we can blame more people than just Shannahan.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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PatGreen wrote:
SKYLINE'S RIGHT, CALL THE COPS!

Still hard to find information if the Safety Committee is in with the players suspension talks though.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_d ... nhl,wp6341

That article about Campbell states he did it alone. And Shanahan might be doing it alone or opted for a committee on the rulings.

Who knows? I hope it's not just Shanahan.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Well, if Shanny is the only one at the player meetings, then it sure looks like he's making the calls. If the board were discussing/voting on it, then you'd assume they'd all have to be at the 'all-important meeting'. Let's face it, it's almost surely another NHL(G.B.) sham. I think the other guys are there simply for the politics of it all, or just for input on how to make a safer league, as the article implies.

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SKYLINE'S RIGHT, CALL THE COPS!

...and don't jump the gun here, Pat. He initially asserted that there was more than 1 guy making the call on the suspensions, and he couldn't find any info to back up his claim(after I called him out on it of course). He will, however receive credit for admitting he was wrong.


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daz28 wrote:
Well, if Shanny is the only one at the player meetings, then it sure looks like he's making the calls. If the board were discussing/voting on it, then you'd assume they'd all have to be at the 'all-important meeting'. Let's face it, it's almost surely another NHL(G.B.) sham. I think the other guys are there simply for the politics of it all, or just for input on how to make a safer league, as the article implies.

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SKYLINE'S RIGHT, CALL THE COPS!

...and don't jump the gun here, Pat. He initially asserted that there was more than 1 guy making the call on the suspensions, and he couldn't find any info to back up his claim(after I called him out on it of course). He will, however receive credit for admitting he was wrong.

There is a player safety board though :D , which I initially thought helped Shanahan with the decisions, but it doesn't look that way now.

But neither of us knows, it is hard to find the information on the subject of who actually hears the hearings. There simply is no information on that fact out there outside of pure speculation.

I'm still hoping it's a board of people, because bias comes when only one person is in charge of that.

I just watched some of the suspension hearings, he never says I have decided to suspend at all. He always says the Department of player safety has... Don't know if it mean's anything, but it does lead me to think it actually is a department of Player Safety dealing with this then instead of just him.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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i remember reading somewhere that after that huge rash of suspensions in the preseason, he had some "board members" (read: guys to discuss plays with) that he agreed to consult with because the owners didn't like the suspensions being given out like candy at halloween.

take that for what it's worth, i don't spew hearsay often.


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PatGreen wrote:
i remember reading somewhere that after that huge rash of suspensions in the preseason, he had some "board members" (read: guys to discuss plays with) that he agreed to consult with because the owners didn't like the suspensions being given out like candy at halloween.

take that for what it's worth, i don't spew hearsay often.

I went through watching some of the Player Safety boards and in the video "Department of Player Safety" They say what the department does and it's a group of guys who watch every game and they decide on player's safety.

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/consol ... ce=message

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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IOW, another Gary Bettman sham, where he hopes no one asks too many questions. I'm glad the his re-alignment didn't go through, simply because I don't want that she-male touching my man's game anymore. He's done enough damage.

ps, I think he hand picked Shanny, because he was a gritty player, and looks the part as well. No way he chose a Lady Byng winner, even though that would seem to be the obvious choice. Purely speculation, of course.


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IOW, another Gary Bettman sham, where he hopes no one asks too many questions. I'm glad the his re-alignment didn't go through, simply because I don't want that she-male touching my man's game anymore. He's done enough damage.

ps, I think he hand picked Shanny, because he was a gritty player, and looks the part as well. No way he chose a Lady Byng winner, even though that would seem to be the obvious choice. Purely speculation, of course.

Haha yea.

Here is an article about the new season though and it has a bit about Player Safety, basically what the video said.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=5945 ... nhl-search
And here is the excerpt of Player Safety in that article.
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NEW DEPARTMENT OF PLAYER SAFETY
At the 2011 Stanley Cup Final, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman announced the establishment of a new Department of Player Safety to be headed by Senior Vice President of Player Safety and Hockey Operations Brendan Shanahan. It will monitor all NHL games from its video room in New York focusing solely upon player safety and specifically upon those incidents that might require supplemental discipline.

MISSION STATEMENT
"We are committed to making the game as safe as possible for our players while preserving the intensely competitive and passionate nature of hockey."

MANDATE
1. Work with GMs, the Competition Committee and the NHLPA to continue to look at rules that can better protect our players.
2. Focus on safety issues related to players' equipment and the playing environment.
3. Responsible for administering supplemental player discipline.

APPROACH
The Department of Player Safety will monitor all NHL games from its video room in New York focusing solely upon player safety and specifically upon those incidents that might require supplemental discipline. It will impose suspensions that will not only serve as an effective deterrent but, combined with improved communication and education, result in the desired effect of changing player behavior.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:
As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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When you go to avoid a check you don't get down in the turtle position and hip check/clip the guy. That's a dirty play.

Where does this little guy go to avoid the check? Is it ok to drop down into a ball? That's just about what he did. He did not charge into someone's knees ala Domey on Peca ( as an Islander at the time) several years ago. This was a passive play and he could not foresee the concussion that occurred. I can't stand the little rat (apologies to Linsman) but this time he got a raw deal, and I don't care.


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When you go to avoid a check you don't get down in the turtle position and hip check/clip the guy. That's a dirty play.

Where does this little guy go to avoid the check? Is it ok to drop down into a ball? That's just about what he did. He did not charge into someone's knees ala Domey on Peca ( as an Islander at the time) several years ago. This was a passive play and he could not foresee the concussion that occurred. I can't stand the little rat (apologies to Linsman) but this time he got a raw deal, and I don't care.

Step out of the way? Brace yourself? Skate away with the puck? Actually go for the puck? Hell, bending over not only is dangerous for the other player but can actually improve your chances of getting hurt.

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Step out of the way? Brace yourself? Skate away with the puck? Actually go for the puck? Hell, bending over not only is dangerous for the other player but can actually improve your chances of getting hurt.

it doesn't improve your chances of being hurt at all. which is why it's a natural protective reation


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If a guy is going to hit you, and you bend over, and he instead rams you in the ass or in the side causing you to hit the ice AND have a huge 6 foot man fall on top of you, that's a bigger chance of being hurt than being bumped to the ice.

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that's not how the physics work. why do you think that football players going into tackle ball themselves up?


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