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End The Curse
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:37 pm 
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I'm sure we can find examples throughout American government history that bare similarities to Orwellian prophecy. Our current distopia under President Obama is certainly no exception, and nothing fits the 1984 model better than what was exposed by Climategate. I realize many of you are already familiar with the 1984 narrative, but I've decided to break it down so that we can compare and contrast Orwell's Oceania with today's America. Of course, ETC is no Big Brother, so if you disagree with him about the similarities that's completely fine.

In Orwell's 1984, Oceania has four primary government ministries under Big Brother that incorporate deceptive names based on "doublespeak", i.e. have a name that is the opposite of the actual meaning or function.

    Big Brother = President

    1. Ministry of Peace
    Purpose: Promoting peace through perpetual war
    American equivalent(s): Defense Department, Department of Homeland Security

    2. Ministry of Plenty
    Purpose: Falsely reporting economic prosperity while perpetuating poverty
    American Equivalent(s): Treasury Department, The Federal Reserve

    3. Ministry of Truth
    Purpose: Promoting party doctrine by revising history and changing facts.
    American equivalent(s): White House Press Secretary, The National Archives and Records Administration

    4. Ministry of Love
    Purpose: To recondition or brainwash those found guilty of opposing party doctrine.
    American Equivalent(s): CIA, FBI, Secret Service

Now, looking at these ministries and the American equivalents that I listed, do you see any similarities between today's America and 1984's Oceania? If so, please give some examples that back your opinion. All intelligent discussion, regardless of political identification is welcomed. Belligerence is not. Let's see if we can do better than we did in the religion thread, people!

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I like it except the Federal reserve isn't a governmental agency....which is even scarier.

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End The Curse
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:23 pm 
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Crosscheck wrote:
I like it except the Federal reserve isn't a governmental agency....which is even scarier.

Well, it is and it isn't. Kind of an incestuous relationship where they are a "non-profit" organization working closely with the Treasury that controls our banking industry and sets rates of interest. They are required to take all of the surplus revenue that they acquire and turn it over to the treasury. That amount is in the many tens of billions per year.

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daz28 wrote:
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:lol:

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There is nothing remotely similar between Orwell's world and ours. The first example? This discussion could never happen in Orwell's world.

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2+2=5

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This smells of a hijacking at the ready!

LOOKIT THESE FUCKIN TITS

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Those are a lovely pair of tits you have there Phil.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:07 am 
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Well thank you Billy.

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Is it wrong that I still giggle inside anytime I see or hear the name of that bird? Juvenile, yes. Funny, yes.

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I have a hard time keeping a straight face when I watch the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show and the announcers talk about a great looking bitch.Image

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I have a hard time keeping a straight face when I watch the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show and the announcers talk about a great looking bitch.Image

That's one classy bitch right there









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I bet that's the owners bottom bitch. The one that racks in all the cash.

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I bet that's the owners bottom bitch. The one that racks in all the cash.

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mechaphil wrote:
Godzilla1960 wrote:
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That's one classy bitch right there









:lol:

Yeah. Too bad you can't see her head.

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Haha, ever since I saw that episode I've been using the term bottom bitch left and right. I love South Park, the new episodes aren't as good as the origional but. I still think they're funny. What's your favorite episode? Mine is the one where chef is going to marry the succubus.

IT WAS ABOUT DAT TIME NAH that I realized that girlscout was an 8 story tall crustacean from the paleozoic era! I was like, GAWD DAMNIT MONSTAH, I ain't givin' you no tree fiddy!

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Thats awfully rude Mr. Hammy. I bet she's a sweet old lady who loves baking sugar cookies and teaching her dog to be a world class bitch.

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