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End The Curse
 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:35 pm 
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flames fans are pissed...i would be too...2 of the players they got are UFA at the end of the season....sucks to be a flames fan

Agreed, but they must be dancing in the streets in Anaheim...oh, wait, it's SoCal...never mind, they don't give enough of a shit.

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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:38 pm 
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I can see Burke acquiring players to help other teams drop some cap. So no big named stars but a few players here and there to help teams move cap so they can go for someone big.

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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:51 pm 
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The leafs have like no offense now....lol

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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:03 pm 
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End The Curse wrote:
MakinItLookMean wrote:
flames fans are pissed...i would be too...2 of the players they got are UFA at the end of the season....sucks to be a flames fan

Agreed, but they must be dancing in the streets in Anaheim...oh, wait, it's SoCal...never mind, they don't give enough of a shit.

Hey now...some people in SoCal care about hockey...just not about SoCal teams :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:21 pm 
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This was a great deal for the Leafs build out from the back end and they have Kessel and Kadri up front in the years to come. Aulie was Myers defensive partner last year during the World Juniors. The Leafs have 3 pretty tough defenseman now with Schenn, Phaneuf and Komisarek. They upgraded their goaltending with Gigure and still have room to trade Kaberle for some offensive talent or some picks. Why do teams still continue to trade with Toronto it seems like Burke usually ends up with the better of the deal. I know people are going to say they gave up alot for Kessel but at least you know what you getting with him your getting a young solid scoring forward for years to come and you never know if the picks Burke traded away are going to pan out anyways. I can't stand the leafs but this isn't good news for the Division and not for the Sabres. The Sabres have alot of small forwards and leafs are getting bigger and tougher.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:23 pm 
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But without the picks Toronto is going to have no depth, and the team outside of Kadri and Kessel will be AHL players or 3rd line players a best.

You can have the best defense in the world but if you still can't score against others, you aren't going to win either.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:24 pm 
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End The Curse wrote:
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Blake and Toskala to the Ducks for Giguere...

http://twitter.com/darrendreger

Ouch...Leaves really took it in the ass on that deal.


Not really. Blake was overpaid dead weight with another two years remaining on his contract, and Toskala couldn’t stop a beach ball if his life depended on it.


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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:27 pm 
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blusabre wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
fly as hale wrote:
Blake and Toskala to the Ducks for Giguere...

http://twitter.com/darrendreger

Ouch...Leaves really took it in the ass on that deal.


Not really. Blake was overpaid dead weight with another two years remaining on his contract, and Toskala couldn’t stop a beach ball if his life depended on it.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:27 pm 
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They have absolutely no offense. We may not beat them 5-2 anymore but a 2-0 win is still a win.


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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:30 pm 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But without the picks Toronto is going to have no depth, and the team outside of Kadri and Kessel will be AHL players or 3rd line players a best.

You can have the best defense in the world but if you still can't score against others, you aren't going to win either.

I tend to agree, which would make a Kaberle deal for a couple of pieces (forward and picks/prospects) all the more realistic if Burke chooses to add anymore pieces. If I were Darcy it would look something like this:

To Toronto:
MacArthur
1st rd pick 2010
2nd rd pick 2011
or
MacArthur
Gerbe
1st rd pick 2010
4th rd pick 2010

For Kaberle
You could use any combination, pick your poison, but is Kaberle worth it?

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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:10 pm 
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That doesn't work on cap numbers alone.

Buffalo has $1.16M in cap space.

Moving MacArthur frees up $1.4M.

Kaberle's hit is $4.250M. You'd still be $1.7M short.

Beyond that, it doesn't make sense. Buffalo already has two defenseman sitting in the press box every night. It make no sense to move a forward and put someone else upstairs.


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Skyline_BNR34
 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:12 pm 
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We need to move some defenders for forwards more than getting more defensemen.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

Rud wrote:
As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Montalo
 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:24 pm 
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Squanto wrote:
That doesn't work on cap numbers alone.

Buffalo has $1.16M in cap space.

Moving MacArthur frees up $1.4M.

Kaberle's hit is $4.250M. You'd still be $1.7M short.

Beyond that, it doesn't make sense. Buffalo already has two defenseman sitting in the press box every night. It make no sense to move a forward and put someone else upstairs.

we would be responsible for about `1.8ish, because we are only responsible for the cap hit of his salary they he plays with us this yea, which is about 2/3rd ish
i dunno if he has a longer contract tho

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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:25 pm 
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slesh wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
But without the picks Toronto is going to have no depth, and the team outside of Kadri and Kessel will be AHL players or 3rd line players a best.

You can have the best defense in the world but if you still can't score against others, you aren't going to win either.

I tend to agree, which would make a Kaberle deal for a couple of pieces (forward and picks/prospects) all the more realistic if Burke chooses to add anymore pieces. If I were Darcy it would look something like this:

To Toronto:
MacArthur
1st rd pick 2010
2nd rd pick 2011
or
MacArthur
Gerbe
1st rd pick 2010
4th rd pick 2010

For Kaberle
You could use any combination, pick your poison, but is Kaberle worth it?


Are you crazy that would be overkill for Kaberle and if I am Burke I make that deal in a second. Kaberle isn't worth more than a 1st rounder and a player of MacArthur's caliber. Giving up 2 picks and 2 players for him would be stupid. We don't need Kaberle we need some offensive help. This team already has a decent defensive corp. They need a big name offensive player and I'm not talking about some old @ss vet!


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:28 pm 
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Montalo wrote:
Squanto wrote:
That doesn't work on cap numbers alone.

Buffalo has $1.16M in cap space.

Moving MacArthur frees up $1.4M.

Kaberle's hit is $4.250M. You'd still be $1.7M short.

Beyond that, it doesn't make sense. Buffalo already has two defenseman sitting in the press box every night. It make no sense to move a forward and put someone else upstairs.

we would be responsible for about `1.8ish, because we are only responsible for the cap hit of his salary they he plays with us this yea, which is about 2/3rd ish
i dunno if he has a longer contract tho

We would be responsible for about 1/3rd of the remaining salary. We are already at the halfway point and the trade deadline is usually 1/3rd of the remaining season anyways.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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 Post subject: Re: Phaneuf to Leafs
PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:33 pm 
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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
Montalo wrote:
Squanto wrote:
That doesn't work on cap numbers alone.

Buffalo has $1.16M in cap space.

Moving MacArthur frees up $1.4M.

Kaberle's hit is $4.250M. You'd still be $1.7M short.

Beyond that, it doesn't make sense. Buffalo already has two defenseman sitting in the press box every night. It make no sense to move a forward and put someone else upstairs.

we would be responsible for about `1.8ish, because we are only responsible for the cap hit of his salary they he plays with us this yea, which is about 2/3rd ish
i dunno if he has a longer contract tho

We would be responsible for about 1/3rd of the remaining salary. We are already at the halfway point and the trade deadline is usually 1/3rd of the remaining season anyways.

sorry, i had the principle just not the numbers typed right

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This team needs a big name offensive player and not another defenseman. This team has no big name offensive player up front. Connolly is their best forward point wise and Vanek isn't scoring at the pace that he is capable of. Roy and Stafford really need to pick their games up if this team is going to go anywhere. Buffalo already has solid goaltending with Miller and has a decent defensive corp. They need to score more goals and stop relying on Miller to hold them in it every game.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 4:43 pm 
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i feel like vanek is finding his offensive game a little though.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
i feel like vanek is finding his offensive game a little though.

Same here, Pominville, Connolly, Vanek, and Hecht are all picking up their offensive game.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Burke is such a moron how can this guy manage to pull of two deals like that? As a flames fan I would pissed like hell @Sutter. The only piece that comes close to Phaneuf would have been a combination of Kessel + Gustavson.

Giguere he isn't the warrior he once was but still a very good goaltender and an incredible mentor for Gus. Ducks are stupid they could have waited till deadline to get better offers.

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