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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:25 pm 
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I'll still submit that ratings doesn't mean you're doing a good job. American Idol gets ratings. Jersey Shore gets ratings.

Um...if you're Roger Ailes or any other program director, getting good ratings is the exact definition of your job.

They're not running a charity fueled by journalistic integrity.

/Oh great...here come the people saying we need socialized media run by the state to keep it nice and truthy...comrade ;)

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Hold on a second. The news USED to be printed in columns with pretty picture ads that were SEPARATE. Those ads brought in the newspapers profits, not the slant on the news.


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Hold on a second. The news USED to be printed in columns with pretty picture ads that were SEPARATE. Those ads brought in the newspapers profits, not the slant on the news.

There is no connection between the ads and the content.
Only the viewership and the content.

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And CNN wouldnt do something similar to this if it was in their favor? Your beating a dead horse here... Fox is Conservative and does this. CNN is liberal and does it... Woop de do. Move on with life.

Why do you accept that? Perhaps because you have always lived in world that is thus.

First of all, I have no problem with FOX's conservative slant in their commentary and editorial policies. They are certainly entitled. Having a conservative or liberal or libertarian or socialist editorial board does not preclude objective journalism. My problem is when editorial policy bleeds over into straight news, which happens all too often anymore.

Secondly, CNN is NOT the liberal version of FOX. It is fashionable to say so among people who don't actually follow the news, but saying so doesn't make it true. CNN makes much more of an effort to treat news the way it traditionally has been viewed, with greater emphasis on journalistic integrity than shaping policy. MSNBC is the network you are thinking of and yes, they too long ago crossed the line of what should be acceptible in news programing.

Move on with life? What is that, a replacement for thinking? Slap on a bumper sticker and you don't have to do the hard work of examining an idea for its merits? That is what FOX and MSNBC do. Get some bloviating submental screamers and you don't actually have to pay real reporters to do the hard work of journalism. We have an entire generation of people who have grown up knowing nothing better, so they think that opinion is fact and commentary is news.

Well, it is not.



Your Liberal I presume? Yes? Well you wouldnt think that CNN has a slant towards the Liberal Side... it does...

and as for my statement of "Move on with life" I simply mean I couldnt care anyless... people are what they are. I dont like certain things about people but w/e if they wanna be biased let them. Do I condone that FOX is slanted towards the conservative side? No. I think its ridiculous I am a conservative... But you saying that CNN isnt liberal is just astounding to me... cuz they definately are. I never said I didnt care that FOX was slanted. I didnt say that I didnt care that CNN is slanted. they are what they are. we wont be able to change that.... so why continue to bitch about something that probably wont ever change...

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Those who the network choose to show are those speaking for the network. It doesn't say much about the people in charge, to say the very least.

You do realize that NBC is MSNBC, right? That means you believe Olbermann, Maddow and Jerry Springer speak for NBC, and The View cast speaks for ABC, and that David Letterman and Andy Rooney speak for CBS.

It's OK to not want to watch programming from points of view you don't agree with, but you shouldn't make sweeping judgments out of anger.


I didn't mean Fox as a network. I'm talking about Fox News as an organization.

I watch Family Guy and House.

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Your Liberal I presume? I am a conservative...

I'm guessing that like most Americans you have absolutely no idea what those two terms mean.

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Godzilla1960 wrote:
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Your Liberal I presume? I am a conservative...

I'm guessing that like most Americans you have absolutely no idea what those two terms mean.



By definition, Liberal, Supporting Change

Conservatie, more against Change :)

Thank you for completely underestimating me friend :)

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Your Liberal I presume? Yes? Well you wouldnt think that CNN has a slant towards the Liberal Side... it does...



Stop generalizing. I'm fairly liberal, and have repeatedly stated that MSNBC and CNN do have left leaning slants.


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I'm all for generalizations when I say that anyone that believes FOX is a viable news source is an idiot. CNN isn't terrific either, but it's far and away better than fox.

I like to stay away from American news outlets all together. I've found BBC to be the best news source.

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I'm all for generalizations when I say that anyone that believes FOX is a viable news source is an idiot.

What do you see wrong with the news anchors on Fox News and the stories they report?
Specifically, and what anchors?

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Crosscheck wrote:
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I'm all for generalizations when I say that anyone that believes FOX is a viable news source is an idiot.

What do you see wrong with the news anchors on Fox News and the stories they report?
Specifically, and what anchors?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqdtZlec0s

It's not like absolutely everything is faulty, but when there are so many inconsistencies adn suckups its hard to believe anything

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Squanto wrote:
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Your Liberal I presume? Yes? Well you wouldnt think that CNN has a slant towards the Liberal Side... it does...



Stop generalizing. I'm fairly liberal, and have repeatedly stated that MSNBC and CNN do have left leaning slants.



I said him in response to what HE said... NOT liberals in general...

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Captain Pants wrote:
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I'm all for generalizations when I say that anyone that believes FOX is a viable news source is an idiot.

What do you see wrong with the news anchors on Fox News and the stories they report?
Specifically, and what anchors?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rqdtZlec0s

It's not like absolutely everything is faulty, but when there are so many inconsistencies adn suckups its hard to believe anything

I apologize for not watching all 10 minutes of that montage, but I watched the first 2.
There were exactly 0 Fox News anchors involved.

Go ahead and hate on Hannity and Rivera and Oreilly....They're NOT news anchors and they don't represent themselves as such.

Your complaint is the same as someone complaining about opinion in the op-ed section of a newspaper.

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Crosscheck wrote:
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I'm all for generalizations when I say that anyone that believes FOX is a viable news source is an idiot.

What do you see wrong with the news anchors on Fox News and the stories they report?
Specifically, and what anchors?


Ed, we've gone around about this before, and if my memory is correct, you've agreed with me how the Fox News Echo Chamber works. I've said all along that the opinion shows are just that, opinion shows. However, when comments made on the opinion shows are then cited as 'news' on the news shows, how can you say they're 'reporting news'?

Are all their reporters corrupt? No. But, do you feel that what happened in this specific episode is responsible journalism?

While the President continues the Q&A, they cut away, Trace Gallagher gives a brief commentary, and then they bring in Bret Baier to analyze the exchange....while the exchange is continuing!

Now, if you want to nitpick, Gallagher talked about Obama 'lecturing' the Republicans. One could argue that the 'lecturing' thing is a Republican talking point post SotU address, but I'll let that go in this analysis.

About 10 minutes later, Fox brings on Rep. Peter King, R-NY, who was on to complain about the 9/11 trial location in NYC.....WHILE THE PRESIDENT WAS STILL TALKING TO THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS!!

Now, once they cut away, I wouldn't expect them to come back to the Q&A, but why cut away in the first place? Why did Fox decide that there was nothing else relevant to report, but the other networks stayed with it? This was news, this wasn't opinion.


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Squanto wrote:
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Your Liberal I presume? Yes? Well you wouldnt think that CNN has a slant towards the Liberal Side... it does...



Stop generalizing. I'm fairly liberal, and have repeatedly stated that MSNBC and CNN do have left leaning slants.

Like Zilla, I have to totally disagree with this idea that CNN somehow "leans left" (saying that about MSNBC I'm OK with). CNN is mainstream media. Those who frequently call the entire media liberal are just listening to those same soundbites we all hear, and, like Zilla alluded to, are not stopping to actually think about what conservative and liberal mean, and what sort of news content represents a "liberal" agenda. Watch CNN, watch NBC, watch CBS and ABC, read the New York Times and Newsweek. THOSE MEDIA OUTLETS ARE FAR FROM LIBERAL. They run stories that generally give you the government's line, wether it be about healthcare, taxes, or terrorism. They rarely probe deeply into issues, and of course they play off people's fears to scare people into believing their editorial line.

If the Democratic party is liberal, then the National Enquirer should win a Pulitzer. And if CNN is liberal, the Pope should be Democratic National Chair.


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Ed, we've gone around about this before, and if my memory is correct, you've agreed with me how the Fox News Echo Chamber works.

Don't worry...I was arguing against:
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anyone that believes FOX is a viable news source is an idiot.


Surely you can agree, as I agree with you, valid news can be had from Fox News as well as any other MSNBC type operation.
News that doesn't turn one into a Republican, nazi, fundie even.

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I totally agree with that.

My biggest problem with Fox News is simply that they blur that line more than MSNBC or CNN does.

Frankly, CNN is too busy listening to sexxygrl66285 and pimp_daddy on Facebook and Twitter to know what they're doing anyways. :p


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One man's liberal is another man's conservative, just as one man's conservative will be another man's liberal. Round and round we go on the carousel of politics, where all truth is relative to one's perspective.

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Don't worry, Fox is going to go all centrist now that Palin is on board...you betcha! ;)

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Squanto wrote:

Frankly, CNN is too busy listening to sexxygrl66285 and pimp_daddy on Facebook and Twitter to know what they're doing anyways. :p



WINNER! We have a winner for best post of the thread! haha :)


Bottom line for me... I dont condone either... I dont support either... I believe both are biased in their own sense... Im sure both sides could nit-pick every little thing we want to disagree with right? I mean no one is going to be COMPLETELY satisfied with any one news station. until, that is, there is only one news station left :P jk jk that would never happen :)

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