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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:59 pm 
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slesh, if he came with a deal that wouldn't destroy any hope of the Buffalo Sabres I'd love to have had him, but it wasn't going to happen.

But tell me how many times these big name players that have been traded won the cup with the team that got them?


every team adds players at the deadline. at least every team that has won the cup since... i dont even know.

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WOW. Did not see this coming. Jersey? Really? Weird.

This is going to be absolutely fascinating.


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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
slesh, if he came with a deal that wouldn't destroy any hope of the Buffalo Sabres I'd love to have had him, but it wasn't going to happen.

But tell me how many times these big name players that have been traded won the cup with the team that got them?


every team adds players at the deadline. at least every team that has won the cup since... i dont even know.

Big name players like Kovalchuk, not many teams add huge names and win a cup. Of course trades happen all the time for little pieces, but hardly ever does this pay off.

NJ got better a bit in scoring, but if they don't sign Kovie to an extension, it's worth nothing, they won't be a very decent team next year or for a few years. Do you really want to be set back another two-four years having to rebuild because you didn't win the Cup and lost the guy you traded for?

I'd much rather have this team be in the playoffs for more than one year and just add the little pieces together.

The Sabres team is built in a way where it works, we don't have HUGE name players, but people know Vanek, Connolly, Roy, and Pominville are players to fear when they are on their game. We need to add little pieces in the big picture, not mortgage our future for something that wouldn't even be a guarantee. The way the team is built works, don't deny it because look at the standings. We have two lines who can put the puck into the net and play sound defense, we have another two lines who can play great D and chip it into the net when needed. We also have those four players locked up for a few more years so they just keep getting better and building chemistry and when we add a few more pieces, after the years we have continually made the playoffs, that break might happen.

I don't want to make the playoffs this year, then be last in the NHL next year and maybe hardly break out of the bottom five the next year and after that also. I want this team to be a playoff team every year, because if you make the playoffs every year for 10 or more straight years, you may get that break, and may get it more than once. Detroit has been in 18 straight playoffs, won the cup three times, and many other teams who had streaks of consecutive playoff appearances won eventually also.

That is how I want a team built, playoffs every year, because it will happen eventually if you do it that way.

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if gerbe has to be moved to get a rental, so be it. he isnt exactly a "cant miss" prospect.

but, ennis, kassian... no, dont move them.

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Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier(BRILLIANT!), and a 1st

TSN confirms.

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ironyisadeadscene wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
slesh, if he came with a deal that wouldn't destroy any hope of the Buffalo Sabres I'd love to have had him, but it wasn't going to happen.

But tell me how many times these big name players that have been traded won the cup with the team that got them?


every team adds players at the deadline. at least every team that has won the cup since... i dont even know.

Big name players like Kovalchuk, not many teams add huge names and win a cup. Of course trades happen all the time for little pieces, but hardly ever does this pay off.

NJ got better a bit in scoring, but if they don't sign Kovie to an extension, it's worth nothing, they won't be a very decent team next year or for a few years. Do you really want to be set back another two-four years having to rebuild because you didn't win the Cup and lost the guy you traded for?

I'd much rather have this team be in the playoffs for more than one year and just add the little pieces together.

The Sabres team is built in a way where it works, we don't have HUGE name players, but people know Vanek, Connolly, Roy, and Pominville are players to fear when they are on their game. We need to add little pieces in the big picture, not mortgage our future for something that wouldn't even be a guarantee. The way the team is built works, don't deny it because look at the standings. We have two lines who can put the puck into the net and play sound defense, we have another two lines who can play great D and chip it into the net when needed. We also have those four players locked up for a few more years so they just keep getting better and building chemistry and when we add a few more pieces, after the years we have continually made the playoffs, that break might happen.

I don't want to make the playoffs this year, then be last in the NHL next year and maybe hardly break out of the bottom five the next year and after that also. I want this team to be a playoff team every year, because if you make the playoffs every year for 10 or more straight years, you may get that break, and may get it more than once. Detroit has been in 18 straight playoffs, won the cup three times, and many other teams who had streaks of consecutive playoff appearances won eventually also.
That is how I want a team built, playoffs every year, because it will happen eventually if you do it that way.

They just got a lot better in scoring. Saying a little bit is like saying the Haitian earthquake was a minor tremor.

While you say we wouldn't make the playoffs next season if we would have landed Kovy, that would remain to be seen next season.

To use Detroits record as an indication of what the Sabres can do just doesn't hold water. The Sabres have not done 18 consecutive playoff appearances.

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mechaphil wrote:
Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier(BRILLIANT!), and a 1st

TSN confirms.


Did not see this coming. Wow.

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mechaphil wrote:
Oduya, Bergfors, Cormier(BRILLIANT!), and a 1st

TSN confirms.


I figured Cormier would be involved. Lou doing what he can to get rid of some bad press.

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A brilliant move on Lou's part...instantly gets the stink of that incident off the Devils.

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slesh wrote:
They just got a lot better in scoring. Saying a little bit is like saying the Haitian earthquake was a minor tremor.

While you say we wouldn't make the playoffs next season if we would have landed Kovy, that would remain to be seen next season.

To use Detroits record as an indication of what the Sabres can do just doesn't hold water. The Sabres have not done 18 consecutive playoff appearances.

We'll see how this affects the Devils defensive system also.

And that is why I want the Sabres to make the playoffs for 18 straight years, because that is how you build a team, you build for every year to make the playoffs, and eventually you get that perfect mix of everything together to win it all.

I highly doubt we'd make the playoffs if we had given 4 guys away to land Kovy and lost him. If the Devils don't sign him, it was a bust of a move, if they sign him, then it could be good.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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Great trade for both teams really. But Lou in particular did a great job.

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With all that booty they gave up, It's obvious they intend this to be much more than a rental.

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With all that booty they gave up, It's obvious they intend this to be much more than a rental.

That's why if they don't sign him it was stupid to give up all those payers.

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No need for violence, just tell her she's got a game misconduct and show her the door.

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As I said in the GDT, the call on Rivet was horseshit. The Bruins player was holding onto Rivet's stick like it was the last fucking raft on the Titanic.


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They just got a lot better in scoring. Saying a little bit is like saying the Haitian earthquake was a minor tremor.

While you say we wouldn't make the playoffs next season if we would have landed Kovy, that would remain to be seen next season.

To use Detroits record as an indication of what the Sabres can do just doesn't hold water. The Sabres have not done 18 consecutive playoff appearances.

We'll see how this affects the Devils defensive system also.

And that is why I want the Sabres to make the playoffs for 18 straight years, because that is how you build a team, you build for every year to make the playoffs, and eventually you get that perfect mix of everything together to win it all.

I highly doubt we'd make the playoffs if we had given 4 guys away to land Kovy and lost him. If the Devils don't sign him, it was a bust of a move, if they sign him, then it could be good.


Sky, Pitt didn't make the playoffs between the early-mid 90's and last season from time and time and yet, they won the cup in both era's. What was there success story? Superstar players by the names of Mario and Sidney.
The Oilers had Gretzky in the 80's. Come to think of it, outside of the trap years with Jersey, just about every team that has won the Cup in the last 30 years or so has had a prolific scorer on their team. That speaks louder than what if scenario's.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
slesh wrote:
They just got a lot better in scoring. Saying a little bit is like saying the Haitian earthquake was a minor tremor.

While you say we wouldn't make the playoffs next season if we would have landed Kovy, that would remain to be seen next season.

To use Detroits record as an indication of what the Sabres can do just doesn't hold water. The Sabres have not done 18 consecutive playoff appearances.

We'll see how this affects the Devils defensive system also.

And that is why I want the Sabres to make the playoffs for 18 straight years, because that is how you build a team, you build for every year to make the playoffs, and eventually you get that perfect mix of everything together to win it all.

I highly doubt we'd make the playoffs if we had given 4 guys away to land Kovy and lost him. If the Devils don't sign him, it was a bust of a move, if they sign him, then it could be good.


Devils only gave up 2 roster players so it's really not that big of a deal. They gave up a solid prospect who was suspended by QMJHL and gave up a high first round pick. So it's really a decent deal for both teams. But I agree if the Devils can't sign him then it's a dumb move because your giving up good young prospects for a rental player unless you win the Cup of course but that's the chance you take. But that's what a GM has to do from time to time is take a chance and don't be so damn conservative like Darcy!


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Its reported on the thrashers webpage that the Devils also got anssi salmela.

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But that's what a GM has to do from time to time is take a chance and don't be so damn conservative like Darcy!


Do you have any more tricks, or is this the only one you know?

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With all that booty they gave up, It's obvious they intend this to be much more than a rental.

Go figure, NJ knows how to maintain the competitive edge, even if it is short term. Marty may retire if they take it all this season. NJ grabs 4 cups in a 20 year period. 20% is a decent return considering there are 30 teams pushing for it every year. They take the next 3 or 4 years to rebuild and back at it again. Well worth the risk to the organization.

Like I said earlier, my hats off to em, they know what they're doing in Jersey land.

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
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With all that booty they gave up, It's obvious they intend this to be much more than a rental.

That's why if they don't sign him it was stupid to give up all those payers.


If they don't sign him yes it's pretty dumb move but they really didn't give up much on the current roster and they trade away a player that is suspended in the QMJHL and the 1st round pick which is going to be a late pick so really not that big of a deal. Lou took a chance on Kovy and why not Brodeur isn't going to be around forever! That is what good Gm's do is they don't wait to make moves and be so damn conservative like Darcy. That's why Lou has won how many Cups?


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SabresBillsFan wrote:
Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
End The Curse wrote:
With all that booty they gave up, It's obvious they intend this to be much more than a rental.

That's why if they don't sign him it was stupid to give up all those payers.


If they don't sign him yes it's pretty dumb move but they really didn't give up much on the current roster and they trade away a player that is suspended in the QMJHL and the 1st round pick which is going to be a late pick so really not that big of a deal. Lou took a chance on Kovy and why not Brodeur isn't going to be around forever! That is what good Gm's do is they don't wait to make moves and be so damn conservative like Darcy. That's why Lou has won how many Cups?

Sorry guys and gals, but I am in full agreement with SBF on this one. Although I thought he would go for more, I would have given up MacArthur, Stafford, a prospect (Ennis would be the only one I would not) and a late 1st rd pick. Well worth the price to up your chances this season. Darcy should have been all over this.

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