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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:41 pm 
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With all that booty they gave up, It's obvious they intend this to be much more than a rental.

Go figure, NJ knows how to maintain the competitive edge, even if it is short term. Marty may retire if they take it all this season. NJ grabs 4 cups in a 20 year period. 20% is a decent return considering there are 30 teams pushing for it every year. They take the next 3 or 4 years to rebuild and back at it again. Well worth the risk to the organization.

Like I said earlier, my hats off to em, they know what they're doing in Jersey land.


Couldn't agree more plus that's what happens when you have a GM that has some balls! Sorry I'm sure I will hear it but this years Sabres squad isn't much different than last years other than Miller is motivated to be the starting goalie for the US and is playing the best hockey of his career and then you have a young, calm and cool defenseman in Myers who is a number 1 defenseman on this team.


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slesh wrote:
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With all that booty they gave up, It's obvious they intend this to be much more than a rental.

That's why if they don't sign him it was stupid to give up all those payers.


If they don't sign him yes it's pretty dumb move but they really didn't give up much on the current roster and they trade away a player that is suspended in the QMJHL and the 1st round pick which is going to be a late pick so really not that big of a deal. Lou took a chance on Kovy and why not Brodeur isn't going to be around forever! That is what good Gm's do is they don't wait to make moves and be so damn conservative like Darcy. That's why Lou has won how many Cups?

Sorry guys and gals, but I am in full agreement with SBF on this one. Although I thought he would go for more, I would have given up MacArthur, Stafford, a prospect (Ennis would be the only one I would not) and a late 1st rd pick. Well worth the price to up your chances this season. Darcy should have been all over this.


Only problem is the Sabres don't have that kind of cap space to make a deal like this.


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They just got a lot better in scoring. Saying a little bit is like saying the Haitian earthquake was a minor tremor.

While you say we wouldn't make the playoffs next season if we would have landed Kovy, that would remain to be seen next season.

To use Detroits record as an indication of what the Sabres can do just doesn't hold water. The Sabres have not done 18 consecutive playoff appearances.

We'll see how this affects the Devils defensive system also.

And that is why I want the Sabres to make the playoffs for 18 straight years, because that is how you build a team, you build for every year to make the playoffs, and eventually you get that perfect mix of everything together to win it all.

I highly doubt we'd make the playoffs if we had given 4 guys away to land Kovy and lost him. If the Devils don't sign him, it was a bust of a move, if they sign him, then it could be good.


Sky, Pitt didn't make the playoffs between the early-mid 90's and last season from time and time and yet, they won the cup in both era's. What was there success story? Superstar players by the names of Mario and Sidney.
The Oilers had Gretzky in the 80's. Come to think of it, outside of the trap years with Jersey, just about every team that has won the Cup in the last 30 years or so has had a prolific scorer on their team. That speaks louder than what if scenario's.

Pittsburgh got four in a row top picks, that does wonders when you have a top three pick four years in a row. MAF, Crosby, Malkin, and Staal. It was only a matter of time when they got back into the playoffs and won something.

It's the same with Washington, you get top five picks it's only a matter of time before those players and your team gets really good.

Chicago is the same way, top ten picks for awhile, they start to pay off and you'll win games. Tampa Bay will be that way soon also, just need better goaltending.

The Sabres have never had a first overall pick, and hasn't had four straight top 3 picks like the teams that are ripping it up, We've always have had to build form middle of the draft picks or rounds. That is why we can't just trade away our players for one big name guy. If we already had a Superstar on our team to rely on, I'd say go for the big name guy. Get him to compliment your other guy, but the team has not been built like that.

I disagree with we must go and get every big name guy out there, this team is a solid team with problems, but what team has no problems? We have to rely on the draft to build, and subtle trades and FA signings for it to work, the team is not bad enough to get top picks for a few years, and it won't be for awhile, so we really need to develop our current prospects the right way. Because Adam, Ennis, Weber, Gerbe, Enroth are going to or hopefully be great players for us.

Ennis is already a good player, Kennedy also and they will just get better and so will the team. That is the only way this team can win, unless we just trade away Miller, Vanek, Roy, Connolly and Pominville and tank for top 5 picks for four straight years and do a complete rebuild of the team. But We have Roy, Vanek, Connolly, Pominville, Myers, Miller, Hecht, all signed for at least two or three more years, so the team is going to be very competitive in those years, we add a few pieces, a few of our drafted players who's saying how far they can go. It worked for Detroit, and has worked for other teams, it can work here.

Even the Islander Dynasty, Montreal, and Oilers Dynasty was because of great drafting and acquiring the little pieces to put them over the top.

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Rud wrote:
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But that's what a GM has to do from time to time is take a chance and don't be so damn conservative like Darcy!


Do you have any more tricks, or is this the only one you know?


No that's the only trick. But then again what should I expect we have no Cups in franchise history! I would like to see Buffalo at least win one in my lifetime.


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Atlanta might lose their team now as all 5,000 fans they get will just go away. The Devils took the Thrashers to the cleaners, Oduya is a 5/6 d-man at best, Bergfours might turn into something but he has really sucked lately, Courmier is well not bad but the suspension will always be hanging over him.

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patkane88 wrote:
Atlanta might lose their team now as all 5,000 fans they get will just go away. The Devils took the Thrashers to the cleaners, Oduya is a 5/6 d-man at best, Bergfours might turn into something but he has really sucked lately, Courmier is well not bad but the suspension will always be hanging over him.

Plus a 1st round pick.

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I agree Max will fall of the face of the earth again. Wait......................he already has again nevermind ;)

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patkane88 wrote:
Atlanta might lose their team now as all 5,000 fans they get will just go away. The Devils took the Thrashers to the cleaners, Oduya is a 5/6 d-man at best, Bergfours might turn into something but he has really sucked lately, Courmier is well not bad but the suspension will always be hanging over him.


I agree but Kovy's asking price is way too high for most teams to handle. I wouldn't pay any player 10 million or more unless its Crosby or Ovechkin! What has Kovy done? Yes he's a proven scorer but done nothing when it matters most!


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H0CKEYisL0VEx24 wrote:
Am I wrong?
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Pansy Russian may border on incorrect, but other than that?

EDIT: Most recent comment that I will not respond to:
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"haha whats the trap? and nooooo its a whole different system. the whole offense in atl is gonna shift because hes gone now. afinogenov is gonna be the scorere there now"

You talk to him about hockey? I suggest engaging in that act no more!

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Skyline_BNR34 wrote:
slesh wrote:
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They just got a lot better in scoring. Saying a little bit is like saying the Haitian earthquake was a minor tremor.

While you say we wouldn't make the playoffs next season if we would have landed Kovy, that would remain to be seen next season.

To use Detroits record as an indication of what the Sabres can do just doesn't hold water. The Sabres have not done 18 consecutive playoff appearances.

We'll see how this affects the Devils defensive system also.

And that is why I want the Sabres to make the playoffs for 18 straight years, because that is how you build a team, you build for every year to make the playoffs, and eventually you get that perfect mix of everything together to win it all.

I highly doubt we'd make the playoffs if we had given 4 guys away to land Kovy and lost him. If the Devils don't sign him, it was a bust of a move, if they sign him, then it could be good.


Sky, Pitt didn't make the playoffs between the early-mid 90's and last season from time and time and yet, they won the cup in both era's. What was there success story? Superstar players by the names of Mario and Sidney.
The Oilers had Gretzky in the 80's. Come to think of it, outside of the trap years with Jersey, just about every team that has won the Cup in the last 30 years or so has had a prolific scorer on their team. That speaks louder than what if scenario's.

Pittsburgh got four in a row top picks, that does wonders when you have a top three pick four years in a row. MAF, Crosby, Malkin, and Staal. It was only a matter of time when they got back into the playoffs and won something.

It's the same with Washington, you get top five picks it's only a matter of time before those players and your team gets really good.

Chicago is the same way, top ten picks for awhile, they start to pay off and you'll win games. Tampa Bay will be that way soon also, just need better goaltending.

The Sabres have never had a first overall pick, and hasn't had four straight top 3 picks like the teams that are ripping it up, We've always have had to build form middle of the draft picks or rounds. That is why we can't just trade away our players for one big name guy. If we already had a Superstar on our team to rely on, I'd say go for the big name guy. Get him to compliment your other guy, but the team has not been built like that.

I disagree with we must go and get every big name guy out there, this team is a solid team with problems, but what team has no problems? We have to rely on the draft to build, and subtle trades and FA signings for it to work, the team is not bad enough to get top picks for a few years, and it won't be for awhile, so we really need to develop our current prospects the right way. Because Adam, Ennis, Weber, Gerbe, Enroth are going to or hopefully be great players for us.

Ennis is already a good player, Kennedy also and they will just get better and so will the team. That is the only way this team can win, unless we just trade away Miller, Vanek, Roy, Connolly and Pominville and tank for top 5 picks for four straight years and do a complete rebuild of the team. But We have Roy, Vanek, Connolly, Pominville, Myers, Miller, Hecht, all signed for at least two or three more years, so the team is going to be very competitive in those years, we add a few pieces, a few of our drafted players who's saying how far they can go. It worked for Detroit, and has worked for other teams, it can work here.

Even the Islander Dynasty, Montreal, and Oilers Dynasty was because of great drafting and acquiring the little pieces to put them over the top.

The Sabres have had a 1st overall pick, 1970.
Also, teams that don't get great picks build from within "and Free Agency". I have seen Buffalo do that only twice in 40 years.

Relying on the current roster to get better when it is already clear they will not, due to chemistry or coaching, whichever one some one chooses to except, the writing is on the wall with this current roster, changes are needed. 1 RWer for Roy and Vanek? Maybe, but how about a LWer for Connolly and Pommers. Hecht has decided to show up from time to time this season, but Kovalchuk would be there night in and night out.

I don't disagree that giving up to much for a rental is not worth it, but after what I just saw, Buffalo could have formulated a deal and it wouldn't have killed us. This trade with New Jersey doesn't kill them. If Kovy doesn't resign, they will go UFA and in a year or 2 be right back at it.

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SBF reminds me of Bull with his constant exclamation points and enthusiasm.

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patkane88 wrote:
H0CKEYisL0VEx24 wrote:
Am I wrong?
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I agree Max will fall of the face of the earth again. Wait......................he already has again nevermind ;)


Now that's funny!


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End The Curse wrote:
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Atlanta might lose their team now as all 5,000 fans they get will just go away. The Devils took the Thrashers to the cleaners, Oduya is a 5/6 d-man at best, Bergfours might turn into something but he has really sucked lately, Courmier is well not bad but the suspension will always be hanging over him.

Plus a 1st round pick, and with Atlanta's current cast that could easily be a top 5.


NJ 1st round pick is almost a second rounder so really NJ did not really give up that much. Plus some guy named Samela is going back to NJ :think:

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SBF reminds me of Bull with his constant exclamation points and enthusiasm.


Isn't it great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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H0CKEYisL0VEx24 wrote:
Am I wrong?
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EDIT: Most recent comment that I will not respond to:
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"haha whats the trap? and nooooo its a whole different system. the whole offense in atl is gonna shift because hes gone now. afinogenov is gonna be the scorere there now"

You talk to him about hockey? I suggest engaging in that act no more!

Thank you Phil. And Pat too!

I think he's confused about who plays the trap . . . not my problem, dude.

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lol, eklund said new jersey was a possible team last night. he was right.


For once.

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SabresBillsFan wrote:
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SBF reminds me of Bull with his constant exclamation points and enthusiasm.


Isn't it great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't think you know who Bull was. BulltheFireFighter.

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SabresBillsFan wrote:
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H0CKEYisL0VEx24 wrote:
Am I wrong?
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I agree Max will fall of the face of the earth again. Wait......................he already has again nevermind ;)


Now that's funny!


I knew I could not resist it. :dance: :lol:

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lol, eklund said new jersey was a possible team last night. he was right.


For once.

Didn't he mention like 5 other teams who are in the serious hunt for the cup too? So with that, he had like a 70% chance of being right lol.

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