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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:29 pm 
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Sigh, at least all the political bullshit will be kept in a subforum now.


Yeah, I'm trying to limit the collateral damage ;)

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Sabres2Sabres wrote:
The first video was just disturbing. That teacher should be reprimanded heavily at the least. That was a politically charged video, there's no place for that among public schools at that grade level.

There's a lot to reply to in this thread, but I'll start with what S2S said above.
I didn't realize when XC first posted this, that the first video had just come to light. I was on my way home from my grade school sons open house tonight & I flipped on the local Syndicated talk show. The same song those kids were singing was being played on the air.

First and foremost I concur with every word that S2S said. Now that I'm doing a bit of googling, I'm realizing the picture is even bigger. It appears that the parents of these Kindergartner's were not aware of what took place Some of which can be read here.

I do not equate the viewing of the school rah-rah speech to High School Students, the same as Kindergartener's being taught to sing songs when they have no comprehension of the matter at hand. That to me, is brainwashing and propaganda - Hence my reference to Goebbles earlier on.

There is another issue with the video taping of and the release of said tape that is going to get whomever is responsible in a heap of trouble. I don't know if the laws in NJ differ from NY, but I have to sign papers every year whether or not I give permission to use any form of media (picture, video, etc) of my child for public release - print or otherwise.

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did you actually even listen to that speech Schony? He covered such "controversial" topics as the importance of hard work, goal-setting, and education.
I'm going to try really hard to not sound like a hypocrite or say something typically dumb that I usually end up regretting.

I did not watch the speech nor would I let my grade school son watch it for the exact reasons you stated. I believe it is a parents job to instill upon their chlid(ren) the importance of hard-work, goal-setting, and education.

I'm trying to flip the coin per-se and understand and agree that the airing of Obama's speech was probably beneficial for a target audience. That being kids who do not receive this type of guidance from their parents.

I could have failed miserably at this task since (as some of you know) my middle son (18 and fresh out of H.S.) just joined the Army. Typically at a HS graduation, all the rah-rah stuff is geared towards those furthering their education or entering the workforce. I was SO honored as a parent that the number of seniors joining various ranks of the Military was so significant that it was mentioned five times - all of which received a rounds of applause in their own right.

In ending, my disdain for that first video is due to:
1) The age of the kids - 4 and 5 ?!
2) Their parents being unaware of what took place
3) It crosses the line similar to separation of church and state.
4) The adoration of someone whose stance on what direction our Military takes waffles more than a 24 hour pancake restaurant.
5) I stand firm in my belief that we need to finish the job that was started and annihilate Al-Queda and terrorism. This coming from a Mom whose son will most likely be deployed in December speaks volumes.

My response to total strangers who say to me: "Oh my God, aren't you afraid your son will be killed?" is; "Yes, of course I am, and you should be thanking those that join the Military voluntarily so your child isn't drafted." That usually shuts them up on the spot.

I'll stop now, because I don't want to continue veering off the original topic of the video of the Kindergartener's. It's just a much bigger picture for me so I wanted to try to explain as best I could, why I feel the way I do.

I value all of your opinions and I do like hearing different viewpoints.

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Crosscheck wrote:
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The individuals responsible for this should be fired.

Children and not pawns to be used for political machinations.


Honest question:
Has crap like this ever been perpetrated in our entire history?
This is flat out political indoctrination.


Don't churches do stuff just like this? Probably not with political motivations. I think it's wrong, but going after the youth with brainwashing-esque stuff is nothing new to either side.

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Don't churches do stuff just like this? Probably not with political motivations. I think it's wrong, but going after the youth with brainwashing-esque stuff is nothing new to either side.


Absolutely...get 'em while they're young.
The big difference would be the state doesn't mandate you go to church or which one you go to.

I find it interesting that you refer to churches as "the other side".

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Actually, he said either side. But yea, I am very heavily against religion and I do consider it "the other side", but you didn't ask me. I don't know why I posted that. Oh well.

I'm still really glad there's a subforum for this stuff now.

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mechaphil wrote:
Actually, he said either side. But yea, I am very heavily against religion and I do consider it "the other side", but you didn't ask me. I don't know why I posted that. Oh well.

I'm still really glad there's a subforum for this stuff now.


Yeah, sorry for the mis-quote, but you get what I mean.

We're talking about politics...Religion isn't on a "side". As a matter of fact, preaching politics at church is against Federal tax law.

/and for the record, I'm not religious at all.
//I just don't like it when it's used interchangeably to mean "back-woods, fundie, bible thumping moron"...which is what people usually mean when they use it in a political context.

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CriminallyVu1gar wrote:
Don't churches do stuff just like this?

To answer your question, yes they do. I'll leave it at this. Between you and I CV, certain churches sent letters to their congregations last May to vote against Adam Lambert in American Idol because of his immoral lifestyle. I have copies of actual letters.

My son in the Army despised the rigidness of the church - specifically R.C. Oddly enough, he just figured out that if he went to an hour long non-denominational Christian service every Sunday, he didn't get yelled at for that hour (of Basic training). Maybe he will find some solace in that hour and at least find faith in whatever it is that motivates him to continue on fighting for our freedom.

Sorry to interrupt, I just really needed to get that out there.


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Wow, really? So there was a shit-ton of federal tax law-breaking going on during George Bush's presidency?

EDIT: I see your edit now, XC. I know that there are some churches, though not as many, that preach a very liberal agenda it seems. It just seems that those backwoods, sister-kissing-congregation churches have the loudest voice. Hence, the church who is protesting the soldier funerals (the same one who got run out of Buffalo twice - what's it called again?)

I'll stop talking about religion now.

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I'm willing to go for broke and say there's a shit ton of federal tax law breaking during every presidency.

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Wow, really? So there was a shit-ton of federal tax law-breaking going on during George Bush's presidency?


Probably....didn't you know that's why churches are tax exempt? Separation of church and state goes both ways.

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I distinctly remember him telling his congregation not to vote for Hillary...on bloody TV.

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It just seems that those backwoods, sister-kissing-congregation churches have the loudest voice. Hence, the church who is protesting the soldier funerals (the same one who got run out of Buffalo twice - what's it called again?)
The whacko's. The Westboro Baptists. They even protested at the funeral service(s) of some of the flight victims of 3407.

There is another group who combats the whacko's. It's called Angel Wings or something like that (I think they're on FB). They show up in front of the whacko's with open wings so that there can be no media coverage of the nut jobs.

I seriously pray that I will never come across the path of a Westboro Baptist.
It would not be pretty and it would be me who gets in trouble.


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There is another group who combats the whacko's. It's called Angel Wings or something like that (I think they're on FB). They show up in front of the whacko's with open wings so that there can be no media coverage of the nut jobs.

Yeah...they're the bad ass, Harley riding Viet Nam vets called the Patriot Guard Riders.
http://www.patriotguard.org/
They don't take shit from Fred Phelps. They don't follow The Westboro church everywhere, they just show up at military funerals.

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There is another group who combats the whacko's. It's called Angel Wings or something like that (I think they're on FB). They show up in front of the whacko's with open wings so that there can be no media coverage of the nut jobs.

Yeah...they're the bad ass, Harley riding Viet Nam vets called the Patriot Guard Riders.
http://www.patriotguard.org/
They don't take shit from Fred Phelps. They don't follow The Westboro church everywhere, they just show up at military funerals.

Yep, that's them. Those guys and gals are B A D A S S.

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SchonyGal wrote:
There is another group who combats the whacko's. It's called Angel Wings or something like that (I think they're on FB). They show up in front of the whacko's with open wings so that there can be no media coverage of the nut jobs.

Yeah...they're the bad ass, Harley riding Viet Nam vets called the Patriot Guard Riders.http://www.patriotguard.org/ They don't take shit from Fred Phelps. They don't follow The Westboro church everywhere, they just show up at military funerals.


I need to look them up XC. I never heard of them.
I do know that there are tons of people hooking up through FB to protest wherever the Westboro Baptists show up like this one
Oddly enough, I can't find an organized Angel Wings group - anywhere.
I know that's what they're called. Good thing I can google all day tomorrow.

This is what the whacko's do and it came from your phelps site.
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"Whachos" Schony, or even "whachoes" if you want (Dan Quayle style). It might not look good, but I'm determined to end the misuse of the apostrophe. It's my online manisfestation of OCD.


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"Whachos" Schony, or even "whachoes" if you want (Dan Quayle style). It might not look good, but I'm determined to end the misuse of the apostrophe. It's my online manisfestation of OCD.


Stuuuu'uuuu's'
From now on I will always spell your name with erroneous apostrophes.
Maybe after a month or so of my abuse you'll develop a nervous tick.

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"Whachos" Schony, or even "whachoes" if you want (Dan Quayle style). It might not look good, but I'm determined to end the misuse of the apostrophe. It's my online manisfestation of OCD.


That's just funny. Spell checker didn't yell at me or underline my word(s) in red. Then again, spell checker doesn't recognize the word Obama and wants to change it to: Obadiah, Obadias, Bamako, and Alabama. Imagine that?

It didn't recognize your spelling of online or manisfestation either.

It's alright. I forgive you ;) And I will now insert an apostrophe in your name as XC suggested.

Have a great night Stuuuuuuu's

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I drove up Main street to All High Stadium today to referee a game. (BTW - that area between Sister's and Hertel is starting to look very nice) I drove by a women's clinic. I am neither pro or anti abortion. However, looking at the wack jobs who were protesting the clinic, I have to say I wanted to run them over. The women holding a rosery with her arms held out like she was crucified just sickened me. No god talks to anyone; if you hear the voice of god; you are simply having a psychotic incident.

I will leave it at that.

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That's just funny. Spell checker didn't yell at me or underline my word(s) in red. Then again, spell checker doesn't recognize the word Obama and wants to change it to: Obadiah, Obadias, Bamako, and Alabama. Imagine that?

It didn't recognize your spelling of online or manisfestation either.

It didn't set off your spell check because whacho's is a word, as in "that's just one whacho's opinion." (Of course now those words are in red as I type this) I just pointed out because you used that word as a plural, and not as the possesive form.

I outlined my problem with this stuff in a thread on the old boards. Sorry but sometimes I can't help myself. On the plus side, I did mention that others should feel free to correct my spelling, which can be weak. "Manifestation" is right as far as I know though. It's not in red right now.


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No god talks to anyone; if you hear the voice of god; you are simply having a psychotic incident.

I will leave it at that.

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