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cabellas would be HUGE. bass pro is nice, but cabellas are a different animal. they are spectacular.

Been to both, and nation wide.
They are about equal as far as their approach to showmanship.
Cabellas offers more in the way of products though.
I bought my colt 1911 model 45 hand gun at the Cabellas in Utah back in 06. Very nice store and it sat up on the ridge that seperated Salt Lake City from the Orem/Provo area. Nicely done by them, garnering both markets.
But when I asked why out of sight of SLC, the guy behind the counter told me SLC wouldn't let them build inside the city, something about the Mormons and control of the and down by the Lake.

Otherwise, they would have built in downtown Salt Lake City.


we have both a cabelas and a bass pro. bass pro is eh... cabelas has 4 or 5 hotels surrounding the grounds. people drive out, and stay in a hotel because its not a few hours they shop for, its a weekend.

bass pro is for spending a few hours in an afternoon. cabelas is Serious Business.

Really, both in the same city?
Where you at Irony?


i live in the suburbs of detroit. actually the most northern suburb.

we have bass pro in auburn hills, and we have cabelas just south of ann arbor, of US-23.

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Correct if I'm wrong here Squanto, but weren't they looking for 35 million in an incentives package?
If thats the case, it would have been money wisely spent given just how well those nitch stores do and how well the surrounding areas do when they open their doors.
I do also agree there needs to be sanity when dealing with businesses, but this type of business should have had an exception made given its reputation.


More like $60M and up.

They wanted about $35M in direct money, then they wanted another $25M in infrastructure built specifically for them. The sad thing that all that money was in place and ready to go. All Bass Pro had to do was commit to the project. Everything that Bass Pro wanted was given to them, but they refused to commit.

They refused. They jerked us around for NINE years, and when the development agency told them that they needed to sign or they were going to move on without them, they refused.

Bass Pro is a joke. They jerked Memphis around for 5 years on the store that's opening down there. They got the city to lease the the building dirt cheap, AND pony up $30M in cash for improvements on the building, AND got tax breaks. The $30M comes from a special sales tax imposed on the surrounding area, which isn't helpful in spinoff development. Who wants to start a business where the sales taxes are higher than they are 5 minutes away?

Multiple studies done on Bass Pro Shops around the country found that locations that were heavily subsidized by public dollars generally failed to generate spinoff development, and new sales tax revenue was often not enough to counteract the other tax breaks given.

Bass Pro has one business model: Prey on struggling cities, and extract as much public money as they can so they can profit. Good riddance to these tools.


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Their preying caught up with them...lawsuits filed by municipalities are seeking reclamation of funds and subsidies given to Bass Pro that the company ran with after not opening a store in that region

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BTW, Garth should cite me as a source, the little cock sucker, just blogged basically what I said here...


No offense, but all he did was cite the same Forbes report that you did. Didn't really rip you off.



Lol yeah, was just curious he did it right after I said it :lol:

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Squanto wrote:
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Correct if I'm wrong here Squanto, but weren't they looking for 35 million in an incentives package?
If thats the case, it would have been money wisely spent given just how well those nitch stores do and how well the surrounding areas do when they open their doors.
I do also agree there needs to be sanity when dealing with businesses, but this type of business should have had an exception made given its reputation.


More like $60M and up.

They wanted about $35M in direct money, then they wanted another $25M in infrastructure built specifically for them. The sad thing that all that money was in place and ready to go. All Bass Pro had to do was commit to the project. Everything that Bass Pro wanted was given to them, but they refused to commit.

They refused. They jerked us around for NINE years, and when the development agency told them that they needed to sign or they were going to move on without them, they refused.

Bass Pro is a joke. They jerked Memphis around for 5 years on the store that's opening down there. They got the city to lease the the building dirt cheap, AND pony up $30M in cash for improvements on the building, AND got tax breaks. The $30M comes from a special sales tax imposed on the surrounding area, which isn't helpful in spinoff development. Who wants to start a business where the sales taxes are higher than they are 5 minutes away?

Multiple studies done on Bass Pro Shops around the country found that locations that were heavily subsidized by public dollars generally failed to generate spinoff development, and new sales tax revenue was often not enough to counteract the other tax breaks given.

Bass Pro has one business model: Prey on struggling cities, and extract as much public money as they can so they can profit. Good riddance to these tools.


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Just read something interesting on the Globe & Mail's site that I first saw mentioned on HF Boards:

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It should be noted that even if Golisano wanted to sell to Pegula there could not be a letter of intent. After Jim Balsillie caused so much grief for the NHL, the league changed its purchase procedure. Now, a letter of intent can only be signed once the prospective buyer has been approved by the other owners.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/report-pennsylvania-billionaire-interested-in-buying-sabres/article1818880/

After reading what Squanto posted in the other thread about how WIVB reported Quinn has finally acknowledged neogtiations and that Goli and Pegula have agreed on the $175M, the rumored appearance by Pegula at the NHL BOG meetings next holds even more credence. Get approved in Palm Springs, and the door is wide open.

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mechaphil wrote:
Just read something interesting on the Globe & Mail's site that I first saw mentioned on HF Boards:

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It should be noted that even if Golisano wanted to sell to Pegula there could not be a letter of intent. After Jim Balsillie caused so much grief for the NHL, the league changed its purchase procedure. Now, a letter of intent can only be signed once the prospective buyer has been approved by the other owners.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/report-pennsylvania-billionaire-interested-in-buying-sabres/article1818880/

After reading what Squanto posted in the other thread about how WIVB reported Quinn has finally acknowledged neogtiations and that Goli and Pegula have agreed on the $175M, the rumored appearance by Pegula at the NHL BOG meetings next holds even more credence. Get approved in Palm Springs, and the door is wide open.


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Squanto wrote:
slesh wrote:
Correct if I'm wrong here Squanto, but weren't they looking for 35 million in an incentives package?
If thats the case, it would have been money wisely spent given just how well those nitch stores do and how well the surrounding areas do when they open their doors.
I do also agree there needs to be sanity when dealing with businesses, but this type of business should have had an exception made given its reputation.


More like $60M and up.

They wanted about $35M in direct money, then they wanted another $25M in infrastructure built specifically for them. The sad thing that all that money was in place and ready to go. All Bass Pro had to do was commit to the project. Everything that Bass Pro wanted was given to them, but they refused to commit.

They refused. They jerked us around for NINE years, and when the development agency told them that they needed to sign or they were going to move on without them, they refused.

Bass Pro is a joke. They jerked Memphis around for 5 years on the store that's opening down there. They got the city to lease the the building dirt cheap, AND pony up $30M in cash for improvements on the building, AND got tax breaks. The $30M comes from a special sales tax imposed on the surrounding area, which isn't helpful in spinoff development. Who wants to start a business where the sales taxes are higher than they are 5 minutes away?

Multiple studies done on Bass Pro Shops around the country found that locations that were heavily subsidized by public dollars generally failed to generate spinoff development, and new sales tax revenue was often not enough to counteract the other tax breaks given.

Bass Pro has one business model: Prey on struggling cities, and extract as much public money as they can so they can profit. Good riddance to these tools.

60 million is a hard number to swallow, I'll agree with you there. Its not that I minded the 35 million figure I heard, I just knew that money could be recouped within 15 or 20 years. But 65 million for wha amounts to a glorified box store for outdoors men, even if it is a nitch store, is just to much to swallow, especially given the time parameter to recoup the money.

Oh well, hame them call up Cabellas for a whirl, other wise, Keep on moving forward with another plan.
Sad really, since it seems like a win/win fit for both the city and a store of that caliber.

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Please, please, please, please let this sale happen. We really need a new owner. I do thank Tom for keeping the team where it belongs. Now we need a hockey guy with money to get this freaking town a championship. I want the Sabres to win a cup!!!!!!

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slesh wrote:
Squanto wrote:
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Correct if I'm wrong here Squanto, but weren't they looking for 35 million in an incentives package?
If thats the case, it would have been money wisely spent given just how well those nitch stores do and how well the surrounding areas do when they open their doors.
I do also agree there needs to be sanity when dealing with businesses, but this type of business should have had an exception made given its reputation.


More like $60M and up.

They wanted about $35M in direct money, then they wanted another $25M in infrastructure built specifically for them. The sad thing that all that money was in place and ready to go. All Bass Pro had to do was commit to the project. Everything that Bass Pro wanted was given to them, but they refused to commit.

They refused. They jerked us around for NINE years, and when the development agency told them that they needed to sign or they were going to move on without them, they refused.

Bass Pro is a joke. They jerked Memphis around for 5 years on the store that's opening down there. They got the city to lease the the building dirt cheap, AND pony up $30M in cash for improvements on the building, AND got tax breaks. The $30M comes from a special sales tax imposed on the surrounding area, which isn't helpful in spinoff development. Who wants to start a business where the sales taxes are higher than they are 5 minutes away?

Multiple studies done on Bass Pro Shops around the country found that locations that were heavily subsidized by public dollars generally failed to generate spinoff development, and new sales tax revenue was often not enough to counteract the other tax breaks given.

Bass Pro has one business model: Prey on struggling cities, and extract as much public money as they can so they can profit. Good riddance to these tools.

60 million is a hard number to swallow, I'll agree with you there. Its not that I minded the 35 million figure I heard, I just knew that money could be recouped within 15 or 20 years. But 65 million for wha amounts to a glorified box store for outdoors men, even if it is a nitch store, is just to much to swallow, especially given the time parameter to recoup the money.

Oh well, hame them call up Cabellas for a whirl, other wise, Keep on moving forward with another plan.
Sad really, since it seems like a win/win fit for both the city and a store of that caliber.

I've heard that Cabellas has already said they would not open a store in Buffalo. They need to bring in something different, something out of the box. Something that will draw tourism money away from Niagara Falls area. BTW, what ever happened to the weather museum that they planned on opening. That would be a great draw for Buffalo.

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New article on TBN today:

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabre ... 271298.ece

Some highlights :

- Pegula attended the Winter Classic before he made his billions.
- He still remembers his seat numbers for his season tickets in the Aud. He used to drive 3 hours to Buffalo to attend games.
- This is the second round of negotiations between Pegula and Golisano. The first attempt fell through. This is why he has made no public comment.
- Friends say he doesn't want to do this to make money, he wants to win championships. As in plural. (I came a little bit when I read this.)
- Friends say might consider purchasing the Bills if the situation was right.

This just seems too good to be true. I'm starting to turn into the sterotypical Buffalo sports fan and look for the bottom to fall out.


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I've heard that Cabellas has already said they would not open a store in Buffalo. They need to bring in something different, something out of the box. Something that will draw tourism money away from Niagara Falls area. BTW, what ever happened to the weather museum that they planned on opening. That would be a great draw for Buffalo.


I can't recall hearing anything about Cabellas ever being mentioned.

They're moving forward on a plan to reconstruct a larger chunk of the Erie Canal. They're going to excavate and re-water a section down Scott Street from Main to Pearl, behind the old Aud site, and connect that to the existing Commercial Slip. They're then going to open up the entire area to development without waiting on a central anchor retailer.

It's being lauded as the first good decision they've made in years.


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- Friends say he doesn't want to do this to make money, he wants to win championships. As in plural. (I came a little bit when I read this.)


:lol: I'm sure everyone here did as well, man. I've had a hardon for the guy's potential purchase of the Sabres since I first heard about it the other night. :D

If $175mil. is in fact the asking price, that is something like 5.8% of what Pegula is worth (Or so says an article on TBN). I think he can afford to put Mighty Taco booths in HSBC in all concourses lol.

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Squanto wrote:
New article on TBN today:

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabre ... 271298.ece

Some highlights :

- Pegula attended the Winter Classic before he made his billions.
- He still remembers his seat numbers for his season tickets in the Aud. He used to drive 3 hours to Buffalo to attend games.
- This is the second round of negotiations between Pegula and Golisano. The first attempt fell through. This is why he has made no public comment.
- Friends say he doesn't want to do this to make money, he wants to win championships. As in plural. (I came a little bit when I read this.)
- Friends say might consider purchasing the Bills if the situation was right.

This just seems too good to be true. I'm starting to turn into the sterotypical Buffalo sports fan and look for the bottom to fall out.


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SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL SELLL SELL!

Thanks, big Tom, but SELL! :D :D :D :D

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man, in a sense i hate loving this guy more and more.. we deserve him, but will it actually happen??? GAH!

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I've heard that Cabellas has already said they would not open a store in Buffalo. They need to bring in something different, something out of the box. Something that will draw tourism money away from Niagara Falls area. BTW, what ever happened to the weather museum that they planned on opening. That would be a great draw for Buffalo.


I can't recall hearing anything about Cabellas ever being mentioned.

They're moving forward on a plan to reconstruct a larger chunk of the Erie Canal. They're going to excavate and re-water a section down Scott Street from Main to Pearl, behind the old Aud site, and connect that to the existing Commercial Slip. They're then going to open up the entire area to development without waiting on a central anchor retailer.

It's being lauded as the first good decision they've made in years.

Sounds great! I plan on coming up there over the summer and I want to head down there to see everything they've done so far.

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Squanto wrote:
New article on TBN today:

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabre ... 271298.ece

Some highlights :

- Pegula attended the Winter Classic before he made his billions.
- He still remembers his seat numbers for his season tickets in the Aud. He used to drive 3 hours to Buffalo to attend games.
- This is the second round of negotiations between Pegula and Golisano. The first attempt fell through. This is why he has made no public comment.
- Friends say he doesn't want to do this to make money, he wants to win championships. As in plural. (I came a little bit when I read this.)
- Friends say might consider purchasing the Bills if the situation was right.

This just seems too good to be true. I'm starting to turn into the sterotypical Buffalo sports fan and look for the bottom to fall out.

Well, with your third bullet I could see why you are feeling like the bottom may fall out...because it did already, once. TG has to see this guy is for real and has a passion for this team that HE doesn't have. If this doesn't go through people will hate Galisano even more than they do now. He would never be able to show his face in Buffalo again.

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I've heard that Cabellas has already said they would not open a store in Buffalo. They need to bring in something different, something out of the box. Something that will draw tourism money away from Niagara Falls area. BTW, what ever happened to the weather museum that they planned on opening. That would be a great draw for Buffalo.


I can't recall hearing anything about Cabellas ever being mentioned.

They're moving forward on a plan to reconstruct a larger chunk of the Erie Canal. They're going to excavate and re-water a section down Scott Street from Main to Pearl, behind the old Aud site, and connect that to the existing Commercial Slip. They're then going to open up the entire area to development without waiting on a central anchor retailer.

It's being lauded as the first good decision they've made in years.


i didnt know they filled in the canal... thats kinda cool.

what they should do, is have tom sell the sabres, then, since he likes saving moribund NHL franchises, he should buy the yotes, then sell them at a profit down the road.

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Squanto wrote:
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I've heard that Cabellas has already said they would not open a store in Buffalo. They need to bring in something different, something out of the box. Something that will draw tourism money away from Niagara Falls area. BTW, what ever happened to the weather museum that they planned on opening. That would be a great draw for Buffalo.


I can't recall hearing anything about Cabellas ever being mentioned.

They're moving forward on a plan to reconstruct a larger chunk of the Erie Canal. They're going to excavate and re-water a section down Scott Street from Main to Pearl, behind the old Aud site, and connect that to the existing Commercial Slip. They're then going to open up the entire area to development without waiting on a central anchor retailer.

It's being lauded as the first good decision they've made in years.


i didnt know they filled in the canal... thats kinda cool.

what they should do, is have tom sell the sabres, then, since he likes saving moribund NHL franchises, he should buy the yotes, then sell them at a profit down the road.


Quinn can go too!

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Squanto wrote:
New article on TBN today:

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/sabre ... 271298.ece

Some highlights :

- Pegula attended the Winter Classic before he made his billions.
- He still remembers his seat numbers for his season tickets in the Aud. He used to drive 3 hours to Buffalo to attend games.
- This is the second round of negotiations between Pegula and Golisano. The first attempt fell through. This is why he has made no public comment.
- Friends say he doesn't want to do this to make money, he wants to win championships. As in plural. (I came a little bit when I read this.)
- Friends say might consider purchasing the Bills if the situation was right.

This just seems too good to be true. I'm starting to turn into the sterotypical Buffalo sports fan and look for the bottom to fall out.

Are they going to like, draw this out until April and then Quinn and Golisano will be all, "LOL APRIL FOOLS!!"

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